Great advice man! To build power inspiration can be drawn from power lifters. Last time I was in school (a little over 3 years ago) the literature surrounding beginner routines and improvements usually lead towards classic hypertrophy training (eg. Thanks for laying out a frame work. I dont like using machines all too much because I feel that they take away the balance that is required to lift properly. Dont get hurt, safety first. Gotta work on combos and speed. Explosive weight training does NOT make you more explosive. Theres a point where you have to work your technique under fatigue. Of course they should. Hopefully you can develop this s but further. Bench uses primarily the chest but it will hit that front of the shoulder. as long as u put in the work for what ever contact sport youre doing, and lift weight too. It all depends on your approach. Perfect combination of strength, power, and flexibility. Again -different fibers, genetics and years of eating and training like an athlethe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPK5zrTRDwY. Type Athletic is much easier to train and requires less stimuli to elicit tangible results and will almost always respond to any sort of training. Dynamic and explosive exercises BEFORE the workout (like OP said) and stretch and FOAM ROLL afterwards. That being said you will see some muscle gains, just not the bulk you see on lifters, You can be big and fight you can build muscle and still get better at fighting you just have to really focus on cardio and maintaining flexibility WHILE building muscle and strength cus if you dont youll lose it, if you dont belive me look up flex wheeler he could still do the splits despite being a 275lb bodybuilder because he did martial arts as a kid and never stopped praticing on his flexibility. His shoudlers are composed of fibers that give him endurance and speed. Trade punches on shoulders with boxing glovesor wrestle with bigger guys for MMA/wrestling. The plan I posted here is very broad and youre totally right that YMMV. This guy has some really good points (particularly about specificity and training economy) but his understanding of glycogen storage is a little bit off. Some do lift weights, I do myself, but there are drawbacks. Seeing it from your mentality and that subscribers mentality with all due to respect to you both. I hear ya. It depends on where youre at in your training. When it comes to ground game, especially wrestling though, weight lifting towards strength gains is an absolute must. builds that muscle memory. In between that time he hit 150 pounds but after hitting his explosive phase his weight went back down and his strength went up. I definitely see value in squatting, deadlifting, rowing, pulling in order to hit the posterior chain of muscles which would counter act over use of the front shoulder. Oly lifts are especially good if youre a monster with your lifts, since its just the next level of the basic resistance movements. but that was how I used it. Defs help tremendously for heavy weights. I think its beneficial for me and never hurt me so Im surprised to see athletes and coaches still saying this. I played wide out so I never lost any speed, I actually gained a lot but I think from other sources. Not speed or strength. Its low volume so it doesnt fill your demands anymore, meaning nothing will happend. Required fields are marked *. Not as much as doing boxing drills but doing both will have a larger effect than both put together. Weight training doesn't teach you to relax - quite the opposite actually. If youre only doing striking, you probably ought to do some back exercises. And thats why he first tried to make sets with heavy weights, and then he reduced the weights and made the movements faster. Like anything else, this is all down to personal preference, and youre only going to get out what you put into it. Strong and big as heck and still the fastest heavyweight ever. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. What that means? Strength gains are maximized when a holistic approach to physical training is made. What about Ben Johnson? And even though you wont be at your peak after an intense lifting session, its a great way to empty the tank and leave you completely spent. Lacey looks like a gym buff, sexy, a body builder, a football player, etc.. Calzaghe looks likewella boxer. My athletes typically do 4 weeks of work followed by 2 weeks of recovery. Training requires a goal, a time frame and a plan how to get there. Ty bro!! Got a question regarding the range of motion. then youre missing out on a hell of a lot of benefits. FYI!!! He might not shoulderpress 80 kgs, yet he looks strong. http://www.livestrong.com/article/337575-is-it-better-to-lift-weights-before-boxing-training/, https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/eric-brown.3269499/#post-117845685, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. 1. Cause lifting done right can increase the strength you need to blow punch at a strong and fast power. Hes letting you throw punches with improper technique and dropping your hands. Id agree that if you only have time train one athletic quality, you would be crazy to use that time to strength train. Mike Tyson said he did not lift weights until he was 31 or 32 years old. Maxing out your strength at your current weight will actually take a long time under the bar, and it doesnt necessarily mean your going to gain weight either. Other heavyweights like Mike Tyson are like this as well. Just teh ones that shit the most.But a big muscle doenst neccessarily mean one made through gym training. Good shit! This needs to be stickied. Look at them when they were young and consider how long they ahve been training. Just do calisthenics everyone! The last 4 weeks is for you to adjust to your new strength and improved motor skills. Prociate all the knowledge you are sharing. If your opponent walks into the ring at 155 lbs just like you and has elite fight prep just like you, you better be stronger and faster or statistically you are at a disadvantage. Not to get big but to keep legs strong. But I think that would mess up my recovery. you dont have to be big to be strong but why not have just a little muscles on you i dont mean like a bodybuilder. He didnt lift a weight in his life. So if youre just doing standing overhead presses throw in a Clean & Press. I mean, if your goal is to build size or add strength, then an intense HIIT session beforehand is only going to hinder your progress. We should use Bruce Lee as a great example. The movements and drills are being practiced under stress conditions. A beginner at given weight has a certain bench, squat and deadlift. Quick question: Does punching muscle, or having the muscle experience a sudden impact while its contracting (having someone slam a medicine ball on someone who is doing crunches) actually make a muscle stronger? Im a street fighter so my training isnt for the ring or controlled environment fighting. I am facing the same problem as you right now. bro that why your gym is probably getting there ass kick by people who train like a real boxer like Mayweather yes its ok to do weight just extreme light to not loss any speed i mean what do white people know about boxing except the maestro Freddie Roach. That coach is doing nothing but helping you train to get knocked out. And the crossfit dude has wrong information, or at least provided wrong info. And its a detailed guide with 51 guaranteed to get your shredded HIIT workoutsthat are perfect for adding to the end of your workout. Hey Shane a big fan here, please suggest how much weight to lift with dumbbells, barbell, lat pulldowns, and rows. I did 50% of my power with perfect technique hitting a body pad and still made a guy spit saliva from a bod shot. Maybe need to sacrifice a little bit of speed but I feel my punch harder. mike bro your an angel man keep doing your thing i juss thought you should know that your an actauly angel an archangel matter of fact look it up, we are alike a lot bro..i pride myself on being a all around athletei tagged you in a pic today on IG of me boxing a dude that out weighes me and a foot taller. HAHAHA yeah usually I get my guys to do 3 sets of 3 for the DL. Workout make you healthy but using steriod doesnt make you healthy this is not fitness thats why iam not amaze with body builder more idiot and arrogant big body small.brain, Im watching Mikes pad work and amazed that someone who does bodybuilding can do well in boxing, I mean hes fast from what Im seeing, but maybe not in head movement or footwork that he is not fast, but theres nothing wrong being a bit slow, hes hand speed is off the chartI can see people liking fast and slim boxers because theyre entertaining to watch, but Im over here watching heavy punchers/sluggers which I prefer.Mike, who lift weights, does great in boxing, you can disagree with me if you want to, but I enjoy his boxing videos. Any 132 lbr with crisp technique would be able to hit with double that power. Now, Im not going to overhype or oversell this guide because, to be honest, its not for everyone. You have to adjust the lift schedule to accommodate your boxing training, especially if you are sparring with people who will have no mercy for you as you inevitably break down from training so hard. When I do weight training, I petrify, even if I do stretching exercises before or after. Press J to jump to the feed. My boxing coach always said body exercises are the way to go. Force=to mass times acceleration. But yeah it is a great place to start, since it works at first and athletes dont have to think about anything. Explosive. I just think you gotta find the perfect in between of boxing work, cardio and lifting. I only do compound moevements, you dont want to train your muscles to act by themselves but together, Weights+steriods=to get Big body? Tyson was heavy, but his punches were much faster that the other heavy weight boxers, because he was very powerful.All sprinters are lifting weights. Ive got news for you all. The trainer is like, he is paying so fuck it let him do what he wants lol. Combined, the athlete can/will progress. not a lot of research in these areas There is an abundance of research in these areas. my conclusion. I think people are mistaken, about weightlifting. people are so dumb trying to shame men for having muscles thats all I hear is yeah but youre probably really slow even though I go jogging and do high-intensity intervals I tried telling them no bro it doesnt matter unless youre on steroids and a world heavy lifter. I learned Im too damn BIG good learning video. One of my bros recognize him and challenged him to a real mans workout. mike ur a great boxer and u have helped me be a better boxer than some people who have been boxing for month so thank and pls keep makin these videos, basic combinations and rhythm. These are just a few of hundreds of potential HIIT workouts you could try. Anyway, the days youre not lifting heavy, you should be boxing to help recover from the DOMS; this is known as active recovery and I dont want to go into detail about that here, I will answer questions though. Just stick to 2, 3 and 5 combos also snap that jab. Most of this is stored as glycogen in muscle (80%) and liver (14%), and about 6% is stored in the blood as glucose. IMO 10 mins before would be a great way to get the core activation/ muscles warm and still have enough juice to have a good lift, then go back to boxing Post lift for "cardio", If I plan on hitting the bag for 30 minutes and I also want to do light weight training, Location: Scotland, United Kingdom (Great Britain). Carl Froch who studied sports sciencestill stuck to proven boxing training..and he was a beast in the @t point adding pointless bulkboxing is a weight governed sport. Noooosir I wont ever spar them slow hands, they look lethal. Wanna be bigger? Sure sparring and keeping your technique fresh is important, but you already know how to fight at that level and cannot change much in fight prep. Mayweather is pretty cut and well developped at times and this is where you can get with years of training as a boxer. Its quite difficult to get really jacked and big. I agree with you on the #s I put. Well, boxing is all about speed, agility, stamina, and skill. Look into it for me so I can let my friend know. People have little man complex against guys who are bigger or more jacked than them so they still wanna hold on to excuse that jacked guys would suck at boxing which is far from truth lol Ive been boxing from 8 years and can confirm being jacked and bigger matter a hella lot in fight if both are of equal skills lol I definately have got my ass kicked more to bigger weight classes guys than same or smaller ones because its simple science, If they are more jacked and bigger and have equal skill, 9/10 times they gonna win and they aint gonna need no endurance as much as me lol You cant put connor in same cage with overeem and expect connor to win. For natural lifters hypertrophy training directly equals to strength training and strength is very important in boxing, so imo all fighters should reach close to their natty limit/potential for muscle growth. My hits are way stronger than theres. I choose the sled because the movements involved with pushing and pulling it improve movement patterns for their dash (push off) and their hooks to the body (pulling). Weight lifting exercises are techniques that are to be mastered. I guess the only example I have in fiction for something like this was in Fearless with Jet Li, where he went up against Nathan Jones. The folks saying strength, not size. I still had the technique and good power on the pads, I was a mess cardio wise and endurance a 15 year old could of beat me a few minutes on pads I almost needed mouth to mouth. I love your channel; I think you are an amazing coach and I wish I could be trained by you. power is lifting heavy like 4-8 reps, strength is 8-12, and hypertrophy 12-15, I think u can punch faster and stronger doing bench press lifting heavy, cuz even though 80% of punching power is technique and stuff, 20% is muscle power I think I saw somewhere. The numbers I post here are VERY generalized and I would never design a program this way if someone paid for my services. weight training, none of the great trainers in history were proponents of it; Arcel, Dundee etc. I need about 2 weeks, so that my muscles come back to normal length. I think it helped me a lot as far as the physical demands of the sport. and medium intensity sparring 2 weeks of lifting technique and technical sparring. Try things in the ring you didnt think you could do before. Many pro fighters just focus on what is important and what suits their style. Use them as a finisher or mix and match them to suit your goals but whatever you do, make sure you give it your all. I do a PUSH-PULL WO Monday thru Friday. When we get enough lean mass that we are in danger of leaving our division? This dramaticlly changes the rate of performance understress is aquired. i can lift heavy and remain fluid. They do body weight resistance training. Because high volume (4-5 sets x 10-12 reps) per exercise is gonna get you too big which will slow you down. 4 weeks of weight training and light sparring 2 weeks of lifting technique and hard sparring, 4 weeks of sled/medicine ball/etc. Brandon you do need your own channel this guy just feeding of your knowledge so he can get a check every month, When I was 16 or 17 I weighed 155 and benched about 135. However each individual is unique biologically. Despite the ability to stay fast with weights, it does still slow you. 3 sets of 10-12 reps) as the best place to start in terms of making strength gains, progressing technique and improving endurance. Strength is very important in all combatives, especially in the hips. Olympic lifting is great, I just feel that the time spent learning these techniques could be spent on exercises that are more functional to the sport. Ive been weight training for a few years and then got back into boxing and have been frustrated with how heavy Ive become from adding some muscle mass. We are talking about fast twitch and slow twitch muscle fibres; you should know ( or your trainer should know ) which type is required for your chosen discipline? weights is bull shit I even have shoulder and back injuries permenantly from lifting heavy. Then on "rest days" from lifting they're getting extra boxing time? So im 5 10 and 165 pounds and im skinny, I did sports but I stopped for a year and ate sweets my whole life. After strength training heavily before one of his fights, I forgot which one, he came in at his heaviest weight of his career. your video was motivating and encouraging for me to get through this injury so I can get back after it! They are also the most useless ones. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HhQl52Cj8bk, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPK5zrTRDwY, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb9SBiJNGn8, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHybO7pVvA8, My book: Size and Strength Blueprint: The Ultimate Encyclopedia of Proven Workouts, should boxers lift weights? Reporter ive ever hearddoesnt even know the difference between butterflies and a plan how to fight act if A thread so old Eric was n't even outed as a boxer to do weight training not. 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